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The over 8,500 gvw trucks didn't get things like crumple zones and such.
There were subtle updates to things like the harness and the 2wd 350 went from kingpins to ball joints. Much more iterative than the massive retooling for '87-'88 when all trucks became fuel injected and got catalytic converters.
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Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong... but I think this topic has come up before and the consensus is that Ford did not make any F350 Supercabs with 4x4. There are a few random picks of such running about the internet but the assumption is that they were conversions. I’m not here to start an argument about whether Ford did or didn’t offer it, but if they did... they are that rare. This includes the Bricknose and Aeronose years as well, so I think you are unlikely to find a 155” wheelbase 4x4 chassis with a mono-beam front axle unless someone swapped it. If having a straight axle is a hill to die on for you, consider an RSK. If it isn’t, then consider a F250 TTB donor chassis with the right engine.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD
STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2 |
That would make perfectly good sense as to why I have not seen a single one in the past year of searching locally, and currently can't find one nationwide. Thanks for saving me a few hours of internet boredom!
1985 F-250 SuperCab "Grandpa's Truck" - originally 460/C6 2wd - future, remains to be determined.
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I think Jonathan is right. I'd forgotten that you have a Supercab. (Maybe because you don't have a signature with information in it about what you are doing? )
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I thought is was 350 duallies that were available only as a C&C in 4x4?
Whatever... I'd rather stretch a frame 22" than have to source dozens of expensive bits.
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Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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Haha, sorry Gary. Updated avatar and forgot about sig. I'm going to try to look at an 86' 6.9/C6 2wd single cab this week. Truck has banks turbo and yukon over/under drive. Will consider this truck for possible swapping of drivetrain instead of body swap, as I'm considering the "phase 2" approach of waiting on a different solution in the future for 4 wheel drive.
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I'm looking at the 1986 Light Truck Book, which is the 3-ring binder Ford gave the dealerships, and the F350's came in Regular Cab and Crew Cab, and both could have 4wd. But apparently there was no Supercab F350 in 1986, 2wd or 4wd.
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If he already has a POR'd supercab chassis and cab I don't think the problem is finding a 4wd diesel supercab. Just finding a diesel that would have the harness, fan shroud, rad support, engine, perches, battery tray, dash cluster, glow controller, etc.
If he wants to deal with 4wd down the road then the 2wd C6 can go, and a 350 donor can be sourced for the pitman arm down to get the steering, springs, straight axle, transmission, transfer case and front driveshaft. That may entail swapping lift blocks and cutting down the rear driveshaft because of the transfer case, but niether of these are a big problem.
Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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Good points, Jim.
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Gary, and no factory 4WD in an F350 DRW.
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"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413 |
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Didn't look that far, Bill. But I do remember that from before.
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I agree, and honestly the only things on that list that absolutely have to be bullnose are the core support, and instrument cluster and perhaps battery tray. As already brought up, the core support can be fabricated from a brick or aeronose one, and the cluster can certainly be sourced separately. Basically it’s the tach. If I were looking at donors I would be giving much more consideration to a truck that has a 4x4 overdrive transmission than one that is bullnose. Even if the front axle conversion had to wait, getting the transmission with the engine will really help the overall price of the project.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD
STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2 |
With that being said, what year trucks would you be looking for in my situation? I'm still planning on going to look at the 86' 2wd I mentioned, mostly because the aftermarket components it's already got peaked my interest. I just found out today that I have to serve jury duty for the next one to three weeks, so that's going to slow things down, but I'd like to get the other truck bought within the next couple weeks.
1985 F-250 SuperCab "Grandpa's Truck" - originally 460/C6 2wd - future, remains to be determined.
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The 86 may be able to donate some good parts... but I would think about the following: I’m not sure exactly which overdrive this is, but I’m thinking it may be the same as the Doug Nash / US Gear units? Regardless, I don’t think it is going to help you gain overdrive with a 4x4 drivetrain, at least not without some talented fabrication to adapt it to the back end of a transfer case. I have a Doug Nash that I wanted to use behind a transfer case, but even after the fabrication you run the risk of serious damage to the drivetrain without some kind of lock out to prevent engagement while in 4wd, or engaging 4x4 while in overdrive. All I am saying is evaluate whether this overdrive is actually going to help you. On the Banks turbo kit, the earlier models with the square air boxes are not all that great. They are better than no turbo, but they are non-wastegated and have a large AR exhaust housing. The cross over and up pipes were also transmission-specific, so the automatic transmission pipes for the C6 truck are not going to work out for you if you end up wanting to run a ZF5 for instance. If it is the later Banks with the cone shaped air filter, that is a far better system. That one is at least wastegated and spools much quicker. It is useable with all transmission types, and the T3 flanged up pipe is great for building a custom turbo set up later if you want better performance. The late wastegated Banks sell used for around $1,000ish. The early banks kits sell used for $300-$500ish. Just be aware of what you are buying and what it’s actual value is. Check the turbine shaft for end play as well. If it has end play or excessive axial play the unit needs rebuilt and should be valued accordingly. None of the kit turbo’s are all that spectacular, but certainly an upgrade if you are looking for an affordable bolt on to help it out a little. The truck is an ‘86 but I would not necessarily count on it being the original engine. Look at the block serial number next to the IP gear housing and see if it is a late block with bolt in piston oilers. If it’s a good runner and an early block that may not be a deal breaker, just realize that it cannot realistically be rebuilt since the oilers and tools are obsolete. They can be carefully lock-tite-d in place one more time if skillfully removed, but if the glue fails and one falls out it will ruin your engine. Not a risk I am comfortable with if rebuilding is part of the current or future plans.
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD
STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2 |
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Lots of good information there Jonathan!
I'm interested in why you don't think engine perches and a radiator shroud aren't important for an IDI? Sure, you could cut 'n paste the chin from a brick, but then you need the rad & shroud, entire exhaust (which would need the supercab extension) hoses, ect... that aren't going to come with 'just an engine'. And while I agree that it would probably be more economical to get the engine and four wheel driveline in one shot, then you're into swapping column and pedal boxes to manual hydraulic, and at that point you're all up in the dash, stripped down to the firewall anyhow.....
Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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Jim, the perches and fan shroud are indeed important, they just aren’t bullnose specific and could come from any IDI donor. Thanks for clarifying 🙂
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD
STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2 |
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Indeed they aren't.
Those could come from any Brick, Bull or Aeronose. But the Bullnose specific items must be found or cobbled together. Having a complete donor means having everything laid out for you. Even if a hose is soft or a mount worn out.
Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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Great info, thanks! Regarding which banks system, earlier va later, can you tell from this pic?
1985 F-250 SuperCab "Grandpa's Truck" - originally 460/C6 2wd - future, remains to be determined.
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Yeah, that’s the newest (wastegated) Banks Sidewinder. I would argue it is the best commercial kit turbo for the IDI that exists. Definitely something you would want if the price is agreeable 👍
SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD
STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2 |
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I can't speak for Jonathan but that looks like a round air box to me.
And if so, he says the turbo system is $1,000 in itself. Plus at least a couple grand worth of parts along with the 6.9 itself.
Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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