My 1984 F150 2wd Flareside Project "Blue Mule"

[ArdWrknTrk]

https://theexpress4less.com/products/napa-echlin-tp40-ignition-control-module-modulator-ford-e350-new-free-fast-ship

HERE YOU GO. $37, free shipping.




There is a TP-41 module on eBay for $12 right now.
That's the three plug yellow grommet one for California Windsors with the MCU.

[Rembrant]

ArdWrknTrk wrote

Did you buy your module through a Ford dealer?
If it doesn't *at the least* have the Motorcraft number on it it's probably counterfeit.

I ordered it on Amazon, again, based on good reviews from other people on forums. I get it though, I suppose it could be counterfeit. In any case, I'm going to order a better one.

ArdWrknTrk wrote

https://theexpress4less.com/products/napa-echlin-tp40-ignition-control-module-modulator-ford-e350-new-free-fast-ship

HERE YOU GO. $37, free shipping.

Nice price, although the free shipping is only in the US. I'll check with Napa locally and see what they have.

[Gary Lewis]

Our page on ignition (Documentation/Electrical/Ignition) doesn't list the white grommet box, but it has a link to Bob's Garage Library which does.  It gives it as:
Part # D9FZ 12A199-A
ID # D9EE-12A244-A1A /A2A
Motorcraft # DY-250

And there are links on that page to something called FTE.  Oddly enough, there's a guy on there called Rusty_S.  I think this may be Groundhog Day.

Anyway, I assume you found this page: https://bzerob.com/library/ford/ford-DS2morenotes.html  It does say 14 degrees and "very early 80's carb 2.3t".  But the "D9" suggests its usage started in '79.

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Gary Lewis wrote

...It does say 14 degrees and "very early 80's carb 2.3t".  But the "D9" suggests its usage started in '79.

Yes, and that would have been on the 2.3L turbo 4cyl in the new for 1979 Mustang foxbody.

I guess I'll probably just go with another blue grommet ignition module and be done with it.

Thanks for the help gentlemen.

[1986F150Six]

Regarding timing retard, I read where one who races with Ford engines with very high compression would use a push button switch to disable the ignition module, while cranking the engine. Once the engine gained momentum, the switch would be released and the engine would fire off.

[Gary Lewis]

Cory - The '79 Mustang fits, so I'll bet that's what it was.  But I think a good blue-grommet one with the retard function will work well for you.

David - I can see how that would work.  But you'd have to be careful and not crank long w/o ignition or you could flood it.

[ArdWrknTrk]

..or blow any exhaust system right off of it.  

[Gary Lewis]

ArdWrknTrk wrote

..or blow any exhaust system right off of it.  

Yep!  Been there, done that.  Literally at the age of two.  Was standing beside Dad as he drove and I turned the key off.  He reached up and turned it back on.  BAM!  He said it blew the exhaust right off of it.
 

[FuzzFace2]

ArdWrknTrk wrote

There were a very few AMC vehicles that used DuraSpark modules under license, but their production numbers were pathetically low compared to Ford, and they soon vanished as an entity.

AMC started using the box in 76 and think it was used till the end in 1988.
I know my 75 AMC has the Prestolite system and a 76 I had had the box.

I don't know what my sons YJ Jeep had, may have been the box? but I know he also wired in a GM module and kept the box as a back up.

At the time I was into AMC's I did not know of this crank / retard timing or what the color of the plugs were so I cant say it the AMC boxes had the "dial back" or not?
Dave ----

[1986F150Six]

FuzzFace2 wrote

ArdWrknTrk wrote

There were a very few AMC vehicles that used DuraSpark modules under license, but their production numbers were pathetically low compared to Ford, and they soon vanished as an entity.

AMC started using the box in 76 and think it was used till the end in 1988.
I know my 75 AMC has the Prestolite system and a 76 I had had the box.

I don't know what my sons YJ Jeep had, may have been the box? but I know he also wired in a GM module and kept the box as a back up.

At the time I was into AMC's I did not know of this crank / retard timing or what the color of the plugs were so I cant say it the AMC boxes had the "dial back" or not?
Dave ----

Blue relief plug?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1976-1977-1978-AMC-PACER-HORNET-AMX-GREMLIN-JEEP-CJ-CHAROKEE-IGNITION-BOX-/362325827607

Or, maybe yellow???

https://www.ebay.com/i/123747047544?chn=ps

[Gary Lewis]

Yipes!  The module costs $50 and the sticker costs $100?  

[ArdWrknTrk]

Dave, I meant to say AMC's total production was miniscule compared to Ford's output of DSII equipped vehicles.

No knock on the General or his products.
I'd love me an AMX or Javelin.

Had a roommate with a hotted up awd Talon in the '90's.
That car was quick.

[FuzzFace2]

Gary Lewis wrote

Yipes!  The module costs $50 and the sticker costs $100?

Now you know what we go thru when trying to restore an AMC

ArdWrknTrk wrote

Dave, I meant to say AMC's total production was miniscule compared to Ford's output of DSII equipped vehicles.

No knock on the General or his products.
I'd love me an AMX or Javelin.

Had a roommate with a hotted up awd Talon in the '90's.
That car was quick.

Its all good I just wanted to let others know what years of AMC's used them if they where to ever see some in a JY to get a box from.
Dave ----

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

https://theexpress4less.com/products/napa-echlin-tp40-ignition-control-module-modulator-ford-e350-new-free-fast-ship

HERE YOU GO. $37, free shipping.

Jim,

Have you ordered from here before? I am not familiar with THEEXPRESS4LESS...

[ArdWrknTrk]

Honestly, I don't believe I have.

I usually rely on U-techcenter or my local NAPA for parts like this.

I just opened Google shopping and found a price under $40.

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

Honestly, I don't believe I have.

I usually rely on U-techcenter or my local NAPA for parts like this.

I just opened Google shopping and found a price under $40.

Ok, thanks Jim. I'm going to check with Napa locally once they open back up;). I have a couple original DSII boxes, but they are really crusty looking underneath and I'd like to have a new box and keep one of the old ones as a backup.

[Rembrant]

Finally laid my 36 year old door seals to rest tonight. May they rest in peace at the landfill.



I've been avoiding installing the new ones since last year because the doors are so damn difficult to close. I trust these things will flatten out OK? Holy heck the doors are hard to close, and until the seal flattens out in a couple spots, I've got some gaps that are barely sealed at all atm.

[Ray Cecil]

I replaced door seals on my 86 and NEVER got the doors to close easily. My uncle still owns that truck and has to slam the door to get it shut.

I hope you have better luck.

I love bullnose trucks....but I hate the darn doors.

One thing I did to help was to add sound deadener to the inside of the door skins. The extra inertia helps to latch it.

[Gary Lewis]

I think you have to adjust the door latch when you install new seals.

[Rembrant]

Ray Cecil wrote

I replaced door seals on my 86 and NEVER got the doors to close easily.

I think that's what I've been afraid of...lol. I don't care about the passenger door as much, I'm mostly alone in the truck anyway. I DO need to get the driver's door to close better, so if for some reason it doesn't settle in better, I'll be trimming it with a utility blade...lol.