Here is the video:
https://youtu.be/JPw3GCTiK4E
1985.5 F-150 XL Explorer standard cab 5.0 EFI AOD 4x4
Daily Driver. We call her Eunice the Ute. 1982 Bronco XLT Lariat 351W AOD 4x4 Code name Esperanza, or Espy to her friends. Please see my Project thread for the blow by blow. 1984 F-350 XL Centurion crew cab 460 T19 4x4 "Eylza Dual-little" |
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Did the bulb that came with it (the Hella) not work very well?
Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole But there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio |
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I think Dr.Stern pointed out that most bulbs on the market use filaments that never heat to a bright white.
Thicker wire or less resistive material makes for a longer lasting bulb, but an orange glow. Also imagine that most of these bulbs are called 12V, but in everyday use they might see voltages right up to 15. Any time you burn the candle brighter, you burn it faster as well.
Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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I didn't realize they were going to come with bulbs, so I put those aside and went straight with the Philips.
1985.5 F-150 XL Explorer standard cab 5.0 EFI AOD 4x4
Daily Driver. We call her Eunice the Ute. 1982 Bronco XLT Lariat 351W AOD 4x4 Code name Esperanza, or Espy to her friends. Please see my Project thread for the blow by blow. 1984 F-350 XL Centurion crew cab 460 T19 4x4 "Eylza Dual-little" |
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Gotcha. Tempted to try these. In daylight (lights off) how do they look aesthetically compared to the stock sealed style?
David - you still liking these?
Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole But there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio |
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Scott, if you are asking me, the Hellas with their supplied bulbs and the headlight relay system work great. |
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Thanks - yep, you're the guy
I see daylight photos were added here so thanks, gsmblue, for that. http://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/1982-Bronco-351-4x4-Code-name-Esperanza-tp9221p78254.html As far as retaining the factory look, these look good.
Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole But there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio |
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Gary, in my 1979 I did the clear lenses with removable H4 bulbs. I chose the ones with reflectors, however they do make projector housings which you can combine with HID bulbs. Combined with high wattage H4 bulbs and a relay harness, as long as you buy quality housings like Hella or KC, you won't have aiming issues and I can promise you that you will NOT need any more lighting.
I was kind of a guinea pig and experimented with LEDs etc. HIDs I tended to have issues with them as far as ballast resistors burning out, taking a while to warm up to actually turn on and produce the correct color temperature, and the initial buy in expense and cost of bulbs was off putting to me. LEDs tended to be alright as long as they had "CREE" brand diodes/chips. The only issues I had with those was on cheaper bulbs the cooling fans would burn out causing the diodes to overheat and periodically cut out. I was impressed with LED lights in clear/fair weather as far as brightness and throw distance (who doesn't like seeing clear across a 100 acre field), but in heavy snow or rain the glare was extremely reflective back at myself, and difficult to see; almost blinding in heavy snow itself, akin to "Star Wars" hyper-drive into space. I find that color temperature makes more of a difference that actual brightness, and that throw is more relative to how well they are aimed more than actual wattage. 3k bulbs with their amber color tend to be clearer in bad weather but don't throw as far. The opposite occurs as you increase color temp range. You will still have excellent lighting with 55/65w H4 bulbs, but my personal preference was the higher wattage, just make sure you have the harness upgrade, because they draw a good amount of amperage and produce a good amount of heat, which isn't a bad thing if you drive in the winter months as it will melt the snow. I'm sure you know the relay harness in itself is an excellent upgrade even for standard sealed beams. This was my experience with them and honestly, save for aftermarket light bars or any aftermarket lighting, I'm extremely impressed overall and as someone who drives many, many late model vehicles daily for work, I would say the light output, visibility and oncoming driver safety is actually far better than current models, which is saying something.
1978 F150 351W
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Eastwood had a post for a 7" round LED headlight that had simulated ribbing to emulate 60s-70s headlights, it wasnt very convicing but better than perfectly smooth clear housings. How ever this post that I screenshot on Oct 7 was from 2018 and it has not been made and no more word from Eastwood about it and the post just disappeared. I do believe a diffused housing would be produced one day for the older vehicles for restorations sort of like how Coker eventually made a bias look radial tire so people could have the best of both worlds, period look tires but modern composition and construction. Aside from that, I dont know if my housings are still fine I havent even really looked but I bought the ECE Hella composite housings for my truck and I used the Silverstar Ultra bulbs and it was great, just wasnt too great being the ECE design as it didnt really light up the overhead signs but it did put a lot of light on the ground. Below are some photos of my setup when new. I did have to get new housings as my first set of housings were hazy out of the box and didnt pay much attention to them and it got worse by year 2. Photo showing the design of the ECE Composite housings from Hella that I have Low beam at dusk with Silverstar Ultra H4 bulbs High beam at dusk with Silverstar Ultra H4 bulbs High beam at dusk with Silverstar Ultra H4 bulbs and KC Apollo 6" 100w driving lights Im going to stick with this layout and eventually if I can verify fitment of the Go Rhino roll bar I want to add two more pairs of KC hallogen lights, preferably two 100w spots and two 100w floods with the floods being on the outboard sides and spots in the middle.
"Old Blue" - '56 Fairlane Town Sedan - 292-4V, Ford-O-Matic transmission, 3.22:1
'63 Belair 2dr sdn - 283-4V, Powerglide transmission, 4.56:1 '78 Cougar XR7 - 351-2V, FMX transmission, 2.75:1 9inch "Bruno" - '82 F150 Flareside - 302-2V, C6 transmission, 2.75:1 9inch, 31x10.50-15 BFG KO2 |
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Well, I realized recently that it has been almost a year since I asked Daniel Stern, of Daniel Stern Lighting, to tell me about the latest in retrofit automotive lighting. His response is below, and is both very informative as well as lengthy. And much of it is the same or similar to previous responses, but there is enough new info to make it a good read.
And I can see that I'm going to be spending $179 + 43.18 = $222.18 or more with Daniel in the near future. Hiya, Gary. Good to see from you. Some of this info you already know,
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Lots of great info there, I will have to read again later before ordering some of those items!
1985.5 F-150 XL Explorer standard cab 5.0 EFI AOD 4x4
Daily Driver. We call her Eunice the Ute. 1982 Bronco XLT Lariat 351W AOD 4x4 Code name Esperanza, or Espy to her friends. Please see my Project thread for the blow by blow. 1984 F-350 XL Centurion crew cab 460 T19 4x4 "Eylza Dual-little" |
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Yes, there is a TON of info in there! Good reading and re-reading. I've scanned it, read it, and am about to re-read it. I'm especially interested in the side marker lamps 3x brighter and make them work in conjunction with the turn signals. If I'm going to be pulling the headlight doors to put in new headlights I might as well do that at the same time. And, put brighter bulbs in the turn signals. And maybe make them DRL's.
But in that email Daniel said "With relays in the system it's tempting to grab for big wattage numbers (100/90, etc), but for a good collection of sturdy reasons it's usually counterproductive at best; more info on request." So I asked him to explain that, and his response makes a lot of sense: Please see bulb test results posted by my colleague Virgil at
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For LED auxiliary bulbs below is what I use with great success.
For my '78 Mercury the side light that lights up with the turn signal to illuminate around dark corners is a 1156 bulb. When I fixed the system to functional I used a 90w 1156 LED projector bulb that looks just like the one below. When I put the turn signal on it will actually illuminate my whole front yard and the neighbors front yard and side of their house. With a traditional 1156 bulb it lit half my front yard up. For the T10 wedge bulbs I typically use the 5 smd bulb as show below I also have some 20 smd bulbs in the T10 wedge base as well as below. Problem is you have to have some room, using one of these T10 wedge bulbs in amber on the fender side marker light will result in a super bright hot spot in the middle that appears white. Its a big reason why I only use LED bulbs on the interior. Another reason is you have to get a projector bulb like the one I first posted that is pushing 90W if you want an NOS flasher to function properly other wise the load will be too low and will have a weird flash pattern if you are lucky.
"Old Blue" - '56 Fairlane Town Sedan - 292-4V, Ford-O-Matic transmission, 3.22:1
'63 Belair 2dr sdn - 283-4V, Powerglide transmission, 4.56:1 '78 Cougar XR7 - 351-2V, FMX transmission, 2.75:1 9inch "Bruno" - '82 F150 Flareside - 302-2V, C6 transmission, 2.75:1 9inch, 31x10.50-15 BFG KO2 |
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Thanks, Rusty. But could you provide some links? The reason is that there are a zillion different LED bulbs and, as Daniel said, it is a bit of trial and error to find which ones work well in what housing. So if you know what works we need to document it.
And, by the way, I'll caution about using LED bulbs in the brake/tail housing if you have a Tekonsha P3 brake controller. Apparently that controller, and maybe plenty of others, expect the brake light bulb to be a significant resistance load. I couldn't get the controller to work correctly and finally traced it to the LED's. As soon as I went back to incandescent bulbs the controller worked fine.
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
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Thanks, Rusty.
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
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Apparently I start thinking about lighting at this time of year. Once again it has been a yearish and I'm back to report on a recent conversation with Daniel Stern.
Maybe it has something to do with the World's Series? I say that because we watched the first game last night and it gave me time to do some web surfing. And since I hope to take Big Blue on an overlanding trip in Jan or Feb, during which we'll probably do some night driving I thought I'd see what new LED headlights are available. Sure enough, I found the Holley Retrobrights. And my research found that almost everyone loved them. Almost, save for the Candle Power Forums. Therein Virgil said: "I went ahead and bought some of these (7" large round and 165x100mm small rectangular), and they are very disappointing. Based on my tunnel tests, I could not use them, or recommend anyone else to use them. The problems extend deeply beyond matters of opinion of who does/doesn't like this/that style of beam pattern, etc; there are some pretty clear legality (or lack of) issues. I don't see how these could have passed even a lax compliance test for FMVSS 108 or any other regulation. Frankly, I don't see how they could have been signed off out of R&D; the issues are basic, numerous and severe. Low beam is questionable, high beam is practically nonexistent, the lamps don't appear to be aimable at all, much less by the method indicated on the lens (says "VOL" but there's no low beam cutoff, which is what defines a VOL beam), etc, etc. Too bad; it's a cool idea to have a headlamp with old-fashioned looks and new-fashioned performance, but these just don't cut any mustard. Maybe somebody else will take a whack at the same idea and come up with a better product. For now...no way, no how."
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Yep thats why I never posted on here when the Retrobright LED bulbs came out by Holley. A) They are insanely expensive for what you are getting. For our trucks the 5"x7" they are $199.95/ea for the Modern white, Classic White, and Yellow. Thats $400 for lights for our trucks, for something like my '78 Mercury that has four bulbs thats $800. B) There were no real test done on them which makes them very questionable to me. If there is no testing done that is provided and you cant really find legit comparisons odds are they are no good. It goes back to the K.C. LED Day Lighters, they claim those two tiny LED bulbs facing the reflector provides more light that is properly focused than a 100w Halogen bulb. I do not believe that and no where online can you find anything by official sources making a proper comparison, just a bunch of "these are cutting edge technology that is far superior than halogen bulbs". In the end the concept is a great one, its just like for the restoration market it would be cool if someone would make concours bulbs that are LED for improved lighting but they look no different than the original bulb. Like for Ford make the rare raised FoMoCo logo in the middle and for GM can make the T3 triangle logo in the middle. If they did that then I would consider giving it a go. This is a channel I follow on youtube cause it tends to show more details and its a interesting channel of a restoration being done by themselves. This is their video on comparison of the old sealed beam bulbs and the new Holley RetroBright bulbs that they were sent by Holley, they also have time stamps so you can skip to the RetroBright testing. They do look like they have a good low beam pattern but the high beam pattern looks a little questionable. They should be adjustable by tilting the bulb housing but its not something Id be willing to spend that much money on to give it a try. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNXxRHDF7wQ
"Old Blue" - '56 Fairlane Town Sedan - 292-4V, Ford-O-Matic transmission, 3.22:1
'63 Belair 2dr sdn - 283-4V, Powerglide transmission, 4.56:1 '78 Cougar XR7 - 351-2V, FMX transmission, 2.75:1 9inch "Bruno" - '82 F150 Flareside - 302-2V, C6 transmission, 2.75:1 9inch, 31x10.50-15 BFG KO2 |
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Gary will be glad to know that Sentinel Capital Partners now also owns MrGasket, as well as Holley.... 😁
https://www.holley.com/brands/ Expect what you will . I don't expect product which is "Good Enough" to see further development.
Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake. Too much other stuff to mention. |
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Great thread Gary,
I need to buy new 7" round headlights for my '52 pickup so I'll give this a read. I simply want the best bang for the buck, so not necessarily the brightest lights, but the brightest for the least amount of money . By the way, are daytime running lights a thing in the US yet, or no? I have imported a few trucks from the US and always had to add the little aftermarket DRL kits to make them compliant up here;).
1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold. 1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021. 1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995 |
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