Big Blue's Transformation

[Gary Lewis]

Bill/Jim - Are you talking about the new sealing approach in TSB 91-6-7?  I don't see an illustration in it that explains to me how it works?  Do you know of something that might?  I'm not understanding how it works.

But would that be better than a speedi-sleeve?

Shaun - You may be right.  Perhaps they stuffed that piece inside a seal in the hopes it would help.

[Bruce moose4x4]

Gary Oreillys has these for $26.99. Should have to you in two days. But can order on line if you wish.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/national-2929/agriculture-hd-parts---accessories-19818/agricultural---construction-20126/bearings--seals---u-joints-20130/agriculture-hd---bearings---sleeves-25241/aecec9464eeb/national-repair-sleeve/99275/2552693/1996/buick/lesabre?q=99275&pos=1

It won't do you any good, but tell them someone from corporate sent you.

[Gary Lewis]

Moose - Forgot you work in corporate.  I ordered them from that link and they should be at the house on Friday.  Thanks!

I used to be on a first name basis with all the people in our local store.  But the manager left and is now the assistant manager at NAPA, and they've had a revolving door of replacements of managers and helpers.  I got lost and don't know who's there now.  

[Bruce moose4x4]

It seems like most of the stores have a revolving door for the employees. I have know a lot of good managers who left the company for one reason or another.

[Gary Lewis]

The auto parts business is not what it was when I was growing up.  I knew the people that worked in the local store and they were there for decades.  But it is hard to compete with on-line ordering, whether from Amazon, or O'Reilly's.

Thanks again.

[85lebaront2]

No, I was referring to the newer seal, the 1994 up one, TSB 94-19-24. I will not take one of my new ones apart, but may be able to show how it works.

[salans7]

I worked for Advance for a little over a year. They made a decision mid way through to start writing up associates that didn't make sales goals each month. Four write ups and you were terminated. I worked closing shift at a store that could only make about 20% of it's daily sales goals, and most of that was during the day, the store was dead at night. I let them write me up three times and then gave my two weeks notice in such time that my last day with the company was right before the fourth write up was to be handed out. I was covering shifts at four different stores in the county at the time and when each manager heard what was happening to me at my home store, they all started to look for jobs elsewhere because they knew they were next. Very sad corporate policy.

Gary, I was basically stating that I think the seal was on there for so long that it just came apart and that's why you have the extra piece, and why the spindle is destroyed. It takes a bit of time for a seal to get bad enough to dig a groove that deep. Seeing what yours looks like on such a clean axle makes me worried about what I'll find on my mistreated axle.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Gary,
I can't speak for Bill, but I'm sure we are on the same page.

The Scotseal Plus from SKF/Chicago Rawhide is similar to a bearing in that it has an inner and outer 'race'.

The inner is rubbed, and gets glued (usually silicone) to the fixed axle housing stub, spindle, whatever...
Xtra Large sizes are common for OTR trucks and trailers because otherwise you'd be replacing trailer axles every year for inspection.

This is the first cross section I see in a Google search.

https://www.anythingtruck.com/commercial/images/170-ScotsealPlus_Main.jpg

[Gary Lewis]

Shaun - That's a horrible scenario.  A nightmare.  Glad you got out.

Jim - I think I understand.  And I found another illustration that helped from this PDF.  But it shows applications rather than sizes.  And, I'm guessing those listed bearings are a bit bigger.  For instance, the '95 Dana 60 takes a SET38 bearing, and some of those applications take a SET421.  At least the number is bigger.  

If the repair sleeves don't work I guess I can see if I can cross reference some of those bearing part numbers.

[85lebaront2]

That is essentially how the Ford seal works, the inner is a rubber sleeve essentially that goes over the axle tube when the hub is installed. The outer is metal and is installed in the hub with a special driver, T93T-1175-AR that has a recess for the inner side of the seal. I will get some pictures later.

[ArdWrknTrk]

They're not bearings, they're oil/grease seals.

Yes there are better diagrams, but as I mentioned, I'm ha huge problems posting on the site today.
And PDF's open automatically on this temporary phone, so I can't c&p the URL.

[Gary Lewis]

Jim - Sorry you are having trouble with the forum.  I don't know what to suggest as I'm not having any problems, so don't know what the issue is.

Anyway, on the "bearing" idea, I was referring to the table on the Scotseal page that shows the bearing part numbers which each of the Scotseals go with.  For instance Scotseal #35058 goes with Timken SET413.  So I could look up the specs on SET413 to find the size of bore and shaft that 35058 fits - assuming I can't find a table somewhere of Scotseal sizes.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Gary, I didn't look at the pdf.
I know that these work, and don't know if they are available in sizes to fit a D60.
But they *would be* the solution to all your problems, and probably outlast you.

[85lebaront2]

Ok, as promised here are the pictures of the Motorcraft BRS-83 seal.

First, the oil side, this is the portion next to the slinger and bearing cone and rollers.
The inner part is stationary and goes over the axle tube, there is a bit of float to the pieces.


Second the air side, the two portions of the metal shell are visible in the picture, when you pull the hub, the seal will separate at the joint as the inner sleeve will be stuck to the tube. The installer tool has a recess for the protruding inner portion of the shell.


And finally, the box label with the PNs on it, for some reason the F didn't print.

[Gary Lewis]

Thanks, Bill.  That looks like the Scotseal.  I wonder what ID and OD it is.  I've found it online, but not sizes.  Any idea?

Jim - If I can find it the right size that would be a good solution.

[ArdWrknTrk]

I used to know all three of the 'pickers' at my local bearing distributor Kaman bearing.
Of course that was years ago, and they've been made obsolete by computers and robots that pull orders and control inventory.

The women in the sales office know the product, but not like someone who spent 30 years handling it.

I'll look back at your posts and note the seal number, look up the id, od & depth.
Then call and see if they have one that fits.
Even though they don't like selling onesies, twosies, they are usually helpful.

[Gary Lewis]

That would be great!  And if the sizes don't jump out at you just let me know and I'll get them for you.  I could return the speedi-sleeves as they aren't quite right for the job as they are too wide, so are going to be a pain to install & then trim.

[85lebaront2]

I can measure it, but, if you go to some of the other seal listings you should be able to find it. As far as I know the rear full floating hubs on the Sterling 10.25" are the same physical size from 1985-1997 (the hubs on this 1996 axle had E5 casting numbers). The seal for my original axle comes up with these dimensions: Rear; 3.938 ID X 5.509 OD X 0.875 Thick from Rock Auto's listing (this is a Motorcraft BRS37) the thickness would be the only real difference as the OD and ID didn't change.

[Gary Lewis]

Bill - Thanks, but I'm confused.  I'm looking for a similar seal for the D60 front axle.  But are you thinking that if I go looking for that seal with the right dimensions I might then be able to find its brother with the dimensions I need for the front?

(Sorry, but I'm a bit slow.  Maybe 'cause I've only had one cup of Joe?)

[85lebaront2]

Try looking for updated seals in the TSB files for the D60, also look at some of the 4WD sites for suggestions and fixes for the worn spindle. Sorry I can't be of more help, but most of my 4WD work was on sealed axle ends. I think the last Fords with those were 1973 models.