87 460 Carb'ed Towing Build

[ArdWrknTrk]

I failed to address your alternator question.
We've recently had a thread about reorganizing the tutorial (available under documentation/Bullnose upgrades  I believe)

Basically the implementation of the second generation alternator was prone to failure and fire.
A 130A alternator from an early '90's Taurus 3.8 fits with a few small modifications.
Until recently you could get one of these for about $70 delivered. The only other things you need are a alternator pigtail, 32" charge cable and a Megafuse holder.

Perhaps Gary can link it because I'm posting from Gmail and can't just open another window without losing this reply.

[Gary Lewis]

Jim - I pointed him to the 3G page in my last post.  Was there something else you wanted me to provide a link to?

[ford4wd08]

Thanks Gary, I just did some reading on it.

Definitely sounds worth while.

Guess I better dig in on this project, but it will be great when it is done!

[ArdWrknTrk]

Sorry Gary, as usual I have a spotty cell connection and ended up here on the third page with my reply.
Seems to have worked out!  

I'll have to get up to the barn and see about another 8.25" 3G. I'm sure I have a couple, just need to check bearings, brushes and LRC regulators.

[Gary Lewis]

No prob, Jim.  I think he's got some reading &  to do.  

[ford4wd08]

Thanks Gary and Jim.

I'll definitely buy spare parts off of members if they're looking to move them.  

Sounds like I've got some planning to do.

[ArdWrknTrk]

I'm glad to share if useful to someone.  
In fact Gary got his 3G from my parts shelf...
But I'd want to make sure it is in great working order.
DB Electrical is in Kingsport, so probably not too far from you.

[ArdWrknTrk]

I see you have a sig now Jordan.
I didn't know anything about a Zf-5 S 45???
I know the S-42 came out in '87 and was upgraded to the S5-47 (470 ft lbs) for the 1995 model year.

Was this something specific to C&C trucks? Because I've got no documentation on it.

[85lebaront2]

Jim, I'm surprised it has a Sterling, all the information I have on C&C trucks points to the Dana 60 being in the back.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Usually D70 in my experience..  

But I don't know a huge lot about when Sterlings came with narrow spring perches for the C&C frame.
It would be interesting to see the door jamb tag with axle code, GVWR and such.

I knew you couldn't get a dually F-350 pickup with 4X4, only the C&C.

[ford4wd08]

You caught me in a typo. It is a ZF5 S-42

[Gary Lewis]

I'm running a 42 behind my Scotty-built 460 with no problemos.  I don't really beat on it, but I have done a number of WOT runs.  The key is just don't try to speed shift it as the synchros don't like it.

And by the way, back to testing the engine.  I am NOT a fan of compression tests.  I've seen plenty of them say the engine is good when it was totally worn out.  I don't do compression tests anymore, and instead only do leak-down tests.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Here I was... intrigued to learn something new!  

We don't see to many C&C trucks here on this forum.
It's always good to have more data.  

Zf's don't like to be lugged.
The helical gears hammer the shafts against the end bearings in the case.
I try not to load mine much below 2,000 rpm. (It's loose and rattley)

[ford4wd08]

Correct on 4x4 dually. It was adapted with a kit and spacers. It now has "budd" hubs up front since I redid them and got rid of the terrible spacers.

Old spacer set up:



New hubs and brakes:





I have yet to get to the back, but it will need brakes as well. As for door jam sticker, here you go.

[ford4wd08]

I can see how that could happen with compression and be misleading. I'll do the leak down and see what I get once I get the carb back together.

Looks like it should be done on s warm engine?

[ArdWrknTrk]

We've seen those spacers before...

Where did you get the hub kit?
Surely it's not a Dana part????

[Gary Lewis]

I've done it on both warm and cold engines and haven't seen a huge difference.  The rings probably seal better on a warm engine, so if the results are borderline bad when it is cold then you might want to test it warm later.  

[ford4wd08]

If you guys like pictures, here Is some of my progress. I have the bed off currently in the garage and have it where I can pull the truck in and out of the garage to work on it.

[ford4wd08]

Found them on eBay. Dana 60 king or something. Guy sells a lot of dana 60 parts. They weren't cheap but much, much, more serviceable than the other ones. I had to weld lugs nuts on to remove.... Tried the jam nut technique but the threads began failing. I scrapped them.

The back probably has the same on it, I'll end up replacing them with another type of spacer as well.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Frame rails aren't straight.
That seems like a bed delete pickup more than a C&C.
F382... Cab chassis not Chassis Cab
There never was a 133" wb C&C, but that's a standard pickup wheelbase.

Explains the Sterling rear and Budd adapters.