85 E350 Super 100A alternator internal parts list.

[Orkea6]

Hey Guys,

I am looking for the part number for the drive bearing on a 100A Alternator - Motorcraft OEM GL-286-RM - I am lost in the catalog, I find the calibration list is 390 for this truck- but there must be elsewhere to look.

Can anyone help me get a number for item 10094 in the exploded view on the 100A Motorcraft unit or better yet- point me to where I can look it up?

The story

My "newly rebuilt" 100A alternator has had the bearing fail *again* - I had upgraded to 100A unit in 2006 and it last until mid 2020- about 45K miles when it seized up. As this is a motorhome and I was a few hundred miles from home, I replaced the unit with a rebuilt Carquest brand alternator- it lasted less than 100 miles and seized up as well. I replaced that one and all was well for about 2,000 miles, now this too, has seized up. These belts need to be pretty taught in order to not squeal (they still will at first start)- but this is getting ridiculous because in order to change the alternator on the E350, I must remove the radiator (because silly me, I put a thicker radiator in the truck and the pivot bolt is now too long to come out otherwise.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I thought I got the right bearing part- but what I have is the bearing for a 60A alternator. I hate buying another rebuilt- and though Advanced Auto *might* give me a third unit- they are ALL getting the same chineseium bearings which will not last.

Thanks

[taskswap]

Exploded view Motorcraft 100 Amp alternator, 1980-89 light truck:



Looks like 10094 is the bearing? If so:



So that makes it C9ZZ-10094-AA  "*GE-21"

[taskswap]

FYI with a little more Googling, no promises this is the right part, but it looks like PFI makes an interchange for this:



If that's right, their part number 6203-2RS-C3 gives me this spec sheet:
http://bearingsize.info/catalogue-online/deep-groove-ball-bearings/bearing-6203-2rs-c3-pfi-obj175758.html

So that's a 17mm bore 40mm OD 12mm width deep groove sealed ball bearing. Maybe that'll let you find some alternatives to try, PFI or otherwise.

[Orkea6]

Thanks Taskswap!

I must be missing something (it happened before) - where did you find the part list for the alternator?

Appreciate the help (and patience).

 

[ArdWrknTrk]

I'm pretty sure the Ford p/n for your 100A alternator is E1UF-10300-AA.

My master parts catalog is on CD so unfortunately I have no way to access it from my phone but the drive bearing for those alternators is 62034 (2RS)
This bearing is 17 x 40 x 12mm with seals on both sides.
There's no need to buy one from a specialist alternator parts supplier or through a Ford dealer.
You can find quality name brand bearings like SKF or Timken for as low as $2.95 online.

Hope this helps

[ArdWrknTrk]

Beat me to the checkers!  😂

Thanks for your very helpful post

[Orkea6]

Thanks Guys- yes, it seems the 6203-RS is the ticket. I found that I have some GM branded (on the box) ACD# 19312054 - and the part in the bag says 6203-RS right on it- but the specs shows it is 17mm wide, rather than 12mm - and now that I have it in hand, it is actually 12mm width... china strikes again. +/- 5 mm- who would notice once assembled?

You guys rock!  

[ArdWrknTrk]

This is from the master parts catalog (MPC), which you need in order to get the prefix and engineering suffix to complete the part number from the basic part number shown in the illustration.

Additionally, note the number with an asterisk just below the Ford part number is the Motorcraft p/n (GE-21in this case)
This often becomes handy when you want an OEM part like a switch or sender from a local parts store that doesn't have access to the dealer network.

[taskswap]

Orkea6 wrote

I must be missing something (it happened before) - where did you find the part list for the alternator?

From the "Ford - MPC Master Parts Catalog FPS 8472-A - Text - 1980 through 1989 Light Truck - March 1994 - OCR - 3490 pages"

which you can currently download here

https://archive.org/details/fordmpcmasterpartscatalogfps8472atext1980through1989lighttruckmarch1994ocr3490pages

As well as "Ford - MPC Master Parts Catalog FPS 8472-B - Illustrations - 1980 through 1989 Light Truck - March 1994 - OCR - 1684 pages"

available here:

https://archive.org/details/fordmpcmasterpartscatalogfps8472billustrations1980through1989lighttruckmarch1994ocr1684pages

I don't remember where I found these links originally - Googling, a post here, or something like that. I was fairly sure it was here but I could be mis-remembering. In any event they're invaluable. The illustrations provide MUCH better parts diagrams than the shop manuals although it can definitely be daunting to go through them! Once you find the diagram for your exact component you take the number of the part you need and that's the "group number." You search for THAT in the bigger 3490-page beastie and then find the closest fit to your year, model, etc.

Somebody correct me if I'm explaining something wrong...

[ArdWrknTrk]

Your explanation of how the MPC works is spot on!  

I'm pretty sure Gary's copy of the MPC has been OCR'd to make it easily searchable rather than having to develop a sense of how those catalogs were originally organized.

Back in the days of paper a good counterman could crack that big binder and have you a part number in seconds, but those days are mostly long gone.

[Gary Lewis]

Interesting!  I wasn't aware that anyone had the MPC available for download free, so I'm pretty sure you didn't find the links here.  But that is a great find and we need to document that.  Let me think about how best to do it.

But are those OCR'd as the name implies?  If so that is wonderful.  Yes, my copy of the two documents have been OCR'd, which makes things MUCH easier.

And as Jim said, your description of how to use it is spot on.  Find the generic part number and then find the specific.

[taskswap]

Gary Lewis wrote

Interesting!  I wasn't aware that anyone had the MPC available for download free, so I'm pretty sure you didn't find the links here.  But that is a great find and we need to document that.  Let me think about how best to do it.

But are those OCR'd as the name implies?  If so that is wonderful.  Yes, my copy of the two documents have been OCR'd, which makes things MUCH easier.

They're on archive.org, that site that caches old copies of other sites and content. I'm not sure where they originally came from, but I'd definitely suggest that anybody that wants a copy get them quick (there's a small download button on each page, you'll find it) because stuff like this has a pattern of disappearing over time.

Gary, these are originals pubs and there may be some "issues" around reposting them here, but if we all work together I'm sure we can brainstorm some "workable options". It's not like they're actively sold service manuals, the risk is pretty low. At the very least you know at least one guy with another copy. :) (Maybe linking them to a OneDrive or Google Drive backup copy instead of directly posting them might be a good start?)

They are OCR'd, but I would say the recognition wasn't super great. If you cut/paste things from them you get all kinds of crazy results, like E9TZ-12345-AA might copy out as E*@!LM345A or whatever. But the OCR is good enough to make them searchable, and the group numbers appear to mostly have come through with high accuracy. I've used them to find part numbers for a ton of things...

[Orkea6]

Thanks again to all y'all for the help in figuring out the parts numbering and helping me keep my old trucks going... snagging the MPC bits now. Super helpful

Cheers

[Gary Lewis]

taskswap wrote

Gary, these are originals pubs and there may be some "issues" around reposting them here, but if we all work together I'm sure we can brainstorm some "workable options". It's not like they're actively sold service manuals, the risk is pretty low. At the very least you know at least one guy with another copy. :) (Maybe linking them to a OneDrive or Google Drive backup copy instead of directly posting them might be a good start?)

The page shows who uploaded the files:

Uploaded by
SteveROntario
on March 23, 2020

So it has been almost a year and they've not been taken down.  And, I don't think they will because there aren't any identifying things on the pages that I can see that tell who's CD it is that he uploaded.

However, to put those pages up there is legally questionable.  I hired an intellectual property lawyer about a year ago to discuss what I can, can't, and probably shouldn't do on the website.  And hosting large documents like the MPC for people to download fell into the "probably shouldn't" category.

The issue is that Ford licensed people to scan and sell the document, so buying one of their CD's and then making the file available to everyone at no cost would probably be illegal.  And I'm staying away from anything that looks like it might not be appropriate.

As for being "actively sold", both HiPo Parts and Forel Publishing sell them through various outlets.  That is probably a HiPo version as Forel puts a watermark on theirs and this doesn't have that.