ZF 5 diagrams from F250/F350

[Littlebeefy]

Can anyone share any explosions or other diagrams of the ZF 5 clutch assembly and related parts that mate the Zf 5 to the 460? Ideally it would be a 96ish F250/F350 diagram. I don't need explosions of the transmission itself (easy to find those).

I'm doing a massive swap (460, ZF5, NP205) and I'm at the point that I'm starting to collect those little parts like bolts and bushings. I'm using a standard sized flywheel with Centerforce clutch for the F250 so most if not all of the other parts that mate the engine and tranny would be standard to a 96 F250/F350. Just need to figure out exactly what those are.

I have fork, TOB, clutch master/slave, pilot bearing, transmission mount (and the crossmember and gussets from a 91 M5OD 4x4). I'm pretty sure I need 1.5" 7/16-14 bolts to hold on the bellhousing.

Do I need a front input sleeve? Do I need a 87-96 clutch safety switch or can I use the one stock to my 84?

Thanks

[ArdWrknTrk]

You need the tin spacer plate that goes on before the flywheel is installed.
This locates the starter motor.

If by input sleeve you mean pilot bushing, yes you need one.
If you mean the sleeve the release bearing rides on, yes, of course you need one
There's no need to relocate the clutch safety switch, or use the later (diagonal mounted) clutch master cylinder.

[Littlebeefy]

Hi Jim. I’ve got the engine plate you mentioned.

I have the pilot bearing but that’s not the same as the input sleeve I’m talking about. Here’s one for sale at JBG. What is it?

https://shop.broncograveyard.com/mobile/1990-1997-Ford-Bronco-F-Series-Truck-ZF-Front-Input-Kwik-Sleeve/productinfo/31025/

[FuzzFace2]

What is it?
Your guess is as good as mine as I don't know either?
Wonder where on the trans it goes as that might help?
Dave ----

[Gary Lewis]

A kwik sleeve is a repair for the a shaft.  Used for when there's too much wear on the shaft from the seal.  Many are open but that one is closed, so you probably have to break off the closed part once you get it in position.

Does your input shaft have a lot of wear or roughness where the seal hits?  If not, then you shouldn't need that.

[ArdWrknTrk]

I'm on the same page as Gary, though I don't see how a cup fits the input.
Kwik sleeve, SpeediSleeve, ect are to create a smooth seal surface where the lip of the old seal has worn a groove.

It is shown as fitting Bronco, 150 & 250 so my guess is it is for the Interior (concentric) slave in the Windsor pattern Zf, that don't use a fork and external slave.

These gearboxes did get an update to the slave that screws to the front of the gearbox itself.
But I never thought it sealed to the input shaft.

Sorry I can't offer more.
I'm not on top of the little Windsor trucks.

[FuzzFace2]

But it is made by Timken (bearings?) so I wonder if it is to fit a bearing into because it made a hole to large say in the alum. case?
I got to say it is  
Dave ----

[Littlebeefy]

My original instinct when I was doing the research lead me to believe the same as what Gary is saying. I’m mostly finding this type of part referred to as an “input repair sleeve” when it’s part of a rebuild kit but wasn’t sure if it was the same thing. I think JBGs description may just be a bit incomplete.

Please let me know if anyone has access to those explosions. I’d rather not buy a WSM just to find out how many bolts I need hahaha

[Gary Lewis]

The kwik sleeves I used on Big Blue’s front hubs were closed like that to allow pressing them in easily. And they were perforated so the closed part could be broke off.

But what exploded views are you looking for?

[Littlebeefy]

Ideally I’d like the explosions that include the flywheel and everything inside the bell housing for an F250 with a ZF 5, Gary.

[Gary Lewis]

Chad - The MPC says that P-20770 is the right illustration for several transmissions, inc the ZF5 as it was the one used in the 1988 and later F350s, as shown below.




And here's P-20770, which says "under 8500# GVW", which isn't correct for an F350.  So I'm thinking it is right, and will add it to the ZF5 page.

[Littlebeefy]

Thanks, Gary. This is the type of diagram I'm looking for, except I need the one for the 460 with the external slave cylinder. Got that one?

[Gary Lewis]

Sorry, somehow I thought you had a 351W.  

[Littlebeefy]

Exactly what I was looking for, Gary. Thanks.

Quick follow up questions: I see that there is a lower bell housing piece that is marked "diesel only" (7007 on the diagram). The 460 has the same shape bell housing with the opening at the bottom so is there supposed to be one for the 460? Also, it shows what appears to be a spacer (6397 on the far left of the diagram); what is that and do you know how many I need?

Thanks

[ArdWrknTrk]

This is why I said the sleeve makes no sense, above^^^
If it fits Bronco, 150 & 250 it's got to be for the Windsor bell Zf, and not for 460 or Diesel....

Sorry Chad, when you said you didn't want an exploded view, I thought you had it figured out.

[Gary Lewis]

The lower piece on the 460 is part of the engine plate.  So maybe the one on the diesel is separate?

And 6397 is a locating pin.  It goes into a hole in the engine and locates the transmission.  And I think there are two of them, one on each side.  However, I believe they are the same for all transmissions.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Yes, the inspection plate is only relevant to diesels, and there are two locating dowels.