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ArdWrknTrk
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... and Rusty doesn't want to be out of work.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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86 1/2 Brutus
Looks like we dodged a bullet on the first storm.

Rock auto is being impossible about the hose issue.  I'm not happy with them at all, they have screwed up way to many of my orders and i think this will be the last time for them
Nick and George
1986 1/2  F150 XLT Lariat 4X2  300 Six  - C6 - 3:08 in a 8.8 -  Fully Loaded - 8 Foot Box
Owned since new
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ArdWrknTrk
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Your experience is pretty much a reflection of Gary's.

I'm not happy with the shipping from multiple warehouses, and the poor 'after the sale' customer service, but it's hard to beat scrap pricing.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Gary Lewis
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Yes!  As long as you get the right part, RA is great.  But if you get the wrong part you are in trouble.  In fact, I'm hard-pressed to explain why I gave them a "4".  I think I'll change it to a "3" upon reflection.
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
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grumpin
Gary Lewis wrote
Yes!  As long as you get the right part, RA is great.  But if you get the wrong part you are in trouble.  In fact, I'm hard-pressed to explain why I gave them a "4".  I think I'll change it to a "3" upon reflection.
I agree, harder to return items. One reason I go local.

I’ve used Summit Racing because they have a warehouse in Reno, so gets to me pretty quick.
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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86 1/2 Brutus
I've about had it with them and carparts.com.   to tell you the truth, RA isn't that much cheaper then Autozone and they can have my stuff usually next day.  On my correct hose, it was actually 10 bucks cheaper then the wrong one RA sent me
Nick and George
1986 1/2  F150 XLT Lariat 4X2  300 Six  - C6 - 3:08 in a 8.8 -  Fully Loaded - 8 Foot Box
Owned since new
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ArdWrknTrk
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Did they send you the wrong one, or did they send you the one you ordered, because the application guide is wrong?

I ordered two identical sway bar links the other day they arrived in identical packages...  But they were different.

I don't blame Detroit Axle for that.
How could they have known???

I never got a chance to contact them.
I just moved on ('cause that's what I needed to do)
I didn't have time to screw around with return shipping and waiting for another.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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86 1/2 Brutus
it was the wrong hose due to the appliction guide.  because i had it for over the period of time to send it back, they will not take it back.  but this isn't the only issue i have with them.  Once i ordered window scrapers, they sent me door weatherstrip
Nick and George
1986 1/2  F150 XLT Lariat 4X2  300 Six  - C6 - 3:08 in a 8.8 -  Fully Loaded - 8 Foot Box
Owned since new
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Re: Four seasons ac liquid line help

ArdWrknTrk
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So it's not just Rockauto's application guide that's wrong.
The part store had the same hose listed as fitting.

I get what you're saying about them not working with you.
But the return window had expired, and they are not compelled to accept it.

Yes that sucks, but it's hard for me to find fault with them for following policy.

Corporations are not in business to make people happy.
Their only purpose is to make profit.
.... and that's the world we live in today.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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86 1/2 Brutus
it's four seasons, every hose in every place i look it up comes with the same hose and i have never seen a Ford condenser that had that type of fitting on it.  The catalog is even wrong for the correct hose.   Remember how i found it, my hose is for an 83 without the orifice tube, go figure
Nick and George
1986 1/2  F150 XLT Lariat 4X2  300 Six  - C6 - 3:08 in a 8.8 -  Fully Loaded - 8 Foot Box
Owned since new
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Re: Four seasons ac liquid line help

kramttocs
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This is what I said earlier.
The catalogs show two different ones for these trucks.

55782 (the correct one for yours as well as my 86)
Liquid Line  
Without Orifice Tube; In Plant Charged System; Without Manual Shut-Off Valve At Compressor

Orifice Tube Included:   No

55882
Liquid Line
Without Orifice Tube; Pre Charged System; With Manual Shut-Off Valve At Compressor

Orifice Tube Included:   No


I knew the photos looked backwards (wasn't sure if I should add screenshots but decided against it) since mine has the manual shut off so that's why I had them order in both and matched mine against it. Worked behind the counter in high school and know it's a whole lot easier to order too much and return it than take a gamble.

I really like RA but anytime I am ordering something like this online I look it up on at least two other sites and if there's even a chance something looks off, I deal locally.
Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole

But there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio
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Re: Four seasons ac liquid line help

BullnoseLuvr
kramttocs wrote
This is what I said earlier.
The catalogs show two different ones for these trucks.

55782 (the correct one for yours as well as my 86)
Liquid Line  
Without Orifice Tube; In Plant Charged System; Without Manual Shut-Off Valve At Compressor

Orifice Tube Included:   No

55882
Liquid Line
Without Orifice Tube; Pre Charged System; With Manual Shut-Off Valve At Compressor

Orifice Tube Included:   No


I knew the photos looked backwards (wasn't sure if I should add screenshots but decided against it) since mine has the manual shut off so that's why I had them order in both and matched mine against it. Worked behind the counter in high school and know it's a whole lot easier to order too much and return it than take a gamble.

I really like RA but anytime I am ordering something like this online I look it up on at least two other sites and if there's even a chance something looks off, I deal locally.
I got the Four Seasons 55782 from Partsgeek.  It’s listed for my ‘84 but for no orifice tube and no shutoff at the compressor, but I ordered it anyway and it fit perfectly. Of course my truck has an orifice tube and a shutoff at the compressor.

Mark
‘84 F150 4x4 351W 4sp. Regular cab, long bed, all original. '69 Continental MK III. Older restoration. '95 Saab 900S Convertible. '05 Saab 9-3 ARC Convertible 2.0T. Lime Yellow. '09 Saab 9-3 AERO Convertible 2.8T. Sand Beige top. '13 MINI Cooper Factory JCW 6sp. '01 H-D Sportster. '03 Yamaha FZ-1.
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kramttocs
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Thanks Mark.
Seems like they are definitely wrong with the manual shut-off description.
For the 'Without Orifice Tube' I don't know if they mean no orifice tube in the system (which as you said is wrong) or if they just mean it doesn't come with one. Eh, either way it's misleading.
Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole

But there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio
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86 1/2 Brutus
They are totally wrong, it does not give the correct hose info for the 86, I had to look up an 83 to find it, and indeed it is without Orifice tube and no manual shut off valve at compresser.

Has anybody ever seen a manual shut off valve at compresser with that type of fitting that appears to fit the exact same condenser.  I haven't
Nick and George
1986 1/2  F150 XLT Lariat 4X2  300 Six  - C6 - 3:08 in a 8.8 -  Fully Loaded - 8 Foot Box
Owned since new
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kramttocs
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I see - all depends upon what engine you choose. Out of habit I always choose the 7.5 which gives you both options. Choosing the 4.9 (still 86 either 150 or 250) it only shows the 55882.
Scott
'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/NP 435 - Gin Pole

But there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio
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ArdWrknTrk
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86 1/2 Brutus wrote
They are totally wrong, and indeed it is without Orifice tube and no manual shut off valve at compresser.

Has anybody ever seen a manual shut off valve at compresser with that type of fitting
No, but keep have seen listings where there were TWO w/ listings because either some data entry schmuck missed a key, or autodefect decided there shouldn't be one without a tube or whatever.....

LMC is pretty guilty of this.
But think it is compounded because they are just aggregating catalogues and spec sheets from others.

Sometimes I think proofreaders are no longer a thing, because OCR and a filter are 1,000X faster, even though they have no context.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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86 1/2 Brutus
Jim.  when i was in parts, there were so many mistakes in those catalogs, especially when we had to do updates    I'm not sure if there are any proof readers at all, i have to wonder if there were ever any.  Especially with Napa.  I'm going to come right out and say this to you guys.  Many of you would disagree, but i'm sorry i used to work for them.  Napa isn't what they make themselves out to be.  Autozone, oRiley and Advance 's parts are superior in everyway and cheaper.    During my time at Napa is where i found many mistakes in there " state of the art " parts look up system called TAMS.   We also were a Napa service center as well and our Vic fell victim. and so did many other's.   I've done many many returns and exchanges in particular from high line to low line stuff.  Many recalls that customers have no clue about.

Our 95 crown vic only has 90 miles on it, and it has been with us since it was new.  It was Nicks moms car and we ended up with it when his parents were called to heaven.  When we got the car, it had 30k on it, so we are talking about 60k miles we put on it.    when we got it, we put about 10 k on it and it was time for a new set of tires, and the ball joints were in pretty bad shape and needing to be replaced.  We replaced them with napa top of the line ball joints and got some new tires.  some time went buy and we put about another 15k miles on the car.  Well, It's a ford car with that good handling and all the good stuff that dosen't hold  up, but again, its a Ford, the front end can be falling out and it will still drive good.   The car began to squeak again and started to wander.   So the car goes up on the rack, and yes it needed the ball joints replaced again along with upper and lower control arm bushings, sway bar link and another set of front tires.  We also had the belt tensioner changed, new front and back brakes and rotors.   Once we got it back, it was about a year or so after i left Napa, wewere driving to baton rouge to pick up my glasses and the belt tensioner busted ont he interstate and we ended up having to get the car towed home.  a little more time went by and the car began to wonder again and squeak.  We got under there and sure enough, it needs ball joints again, the upper and lower control arms are busted and the front brakes are grinding metal on metal.  This is the way the vic sits right now and is most of the reason why there is a sense of urgency to get Brutus back on the road.  The vic is at the point where it is not worth putting the work into so it is going to be parked for now.  It will get fixed, but at this time the car is only worth about 800 bucks to the insurence company, but is quickly gaining in value on the classic market, already at 5k.  We have a 95, and the 96 was the very last year of the gear box rear wheel drive full size car.  People are beginning to want them, that and it has very big sentimental meaning to Nick, so we will end doing a total restore once the ranchero is done.   Hopefully i will have a rack at that time so i can just do the work myself.

I can tell you horror stories about Napa, i just told you one
My advice to all of you that buy from Napa.  Dont buy any steering, suspension or brake parts, but if you have to, buy the low line stuff.  Napa has usually 3 lines, cheap, middle and best.  the cheap stuff is better although it dosent have a good warranty.  They will try to talk you out of it, they made us do that.

Here's another example of how good there state of the art TAMS system is.    I am the Ford guy and everybody would come to me with Ford problems.  We had many employees that did not know what they were doing, they would just look up the parts and give the customer the parts ( there's nothing wrong with that) but the system would give mis information.
The 80's model crown vics, when you would look up brakes, it would only give you the info for cop car brakes, yet it wouldnot say cop car.  Customers would bring the brakes back and say they dont fit.  Same thing with exhaust, everything crown vic gave info for a dual exhaust.   I've contacted the head office many times about this but was never remedied.  It may have been by now, i havent worked for them in about 8 years.  These people really didnt like me.  What i ended up having to do was to tell the people that work there if a crown vic comes in to look up the parts for the same year Grand Marquis and everything would be correct, just bypass the vic and look up grand marquis.
Nick and George
1986 1/2  F150 XLT Lariat 4X2  300 Six  - C6 - 3:08 in a 8.8 -  Fully Loaded - 8 Foot Box
Owned since new
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Re: Four seasons ac liquid line help

BullnoseLuvr
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kramttocs wrote
Thanks Mark.
Seems like they are definitely wrong with the manual shut-off description.
For the 'Without Orifice Tube' I don't know if they mean no orifice tube in the system (which as you said is wrong) or if they just mean it doesn't come with one. Eh, either way it's misleading.
I took "no orifice tube" now that I'm thinking back, to mean none supplied with the hose, which of course connects on one end at the evaporator where the tube is.  That explains why I would've ordered it.  It makes some sense, the assumption being that if you're replacing the hose you oughta be replacing the tube.

Yes and no on the manual shutoff.  That condition should only make a difference to the suction and discharge hoses which are different because they connect where the shutoff would or would not be. Actually I screwed up and ordered the suction hose for no valve and it didn't fit, so I had to exchange it.

Mark
‘84 F150 4x4 351W 4sp. Regular cab, long bed, all original. '69 Continental MK III. Older restoration. '95 Saab 900S Convertible. '05 Saab 9-3 ARC Convertible 2.0T. Lime Yellow. '09 Saab 9-3 AERO Convertible 2.8T. Sand Beige top. '13 MINI Cooper Factory JCW 6sp. '01 H-D Sportster. '03 Yamaha FZ-1.
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Re: Four seasons ac liquid line help

BullnoseLuvr
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86 1/2 Brutus wrote
They are totally wrong, it does not give the correct hose info for the 86, I had to look up an 83 to find it, and indeed it is without Orifice tube and no manual shut off valve at compressor.

Has anybody ever seen a manual shut off valve at compressor with that type of fitting that appears to fit the exact same condenser.  I haven't
I have shutoffs at the compressor and it does matter for suction and discharge hoses.  It didn't matter for my liquid line, evaporator, or condenser, which makes sense.

Mark
‘84 F150 4x4 351W 4sp. Regular cab, long bed, all original. '69 Continental MK III. Older restoration. '95 Saab 900S Convertible. '05 Saab 9-3 ARC Convertible 2.0T. Lime Yellow. '09 Saab 9-3 AERO Convertible 2.8T. Sand Beige top. '13 MINI Cooper Factory JCW 6sp. '01 H-D Sportster. '03 Yamaha FZ-1.
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86 1/2 Brutus
Thats what never made sense to me either, the condensers are the same.  When i ordered my condenser, it said nothing about a shutoff valve
Nick and George
1986 1/2  F150 XLT Lariat 4X2  300 Six  - C6 - 3:08 in a 8.8 -  Fully Loaded - 8 Foot Box
Owned since new
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