Ford Announces The Eluminator - Crate Electric Motor

[Rusty_S85]

RenoHuskerDu wrote

Gary I agree that it could be moved in.

Eventually gubbmint will catch on that nobody wants to recycle electric vehicles, and start socking it to us on huge fees whenever they reach end of life.  Damaged Teslas sit in yards unwanted. Same in yurrup.

As a fireman, I could tell you how much water it takes to put out a Tesla fire, and the danger they pose to us.

My new neighbors have a pair of tesla`s im just waiting to see what they do when they decide to go out on them.  Probably run to the dealer and buy two new ones instead of fixing the old ones.

[salans7]

RenoHuskerDu wrote

That picture has been spread around like wildfire recently. It's misleading, as those cars are located in China (this has been proven), and there is no reasoning as to why other than that these specific cars are short distance cars, and generally fail to meet consumer demands of further distance traveled before having to recharge.

[ratdude747]

Tesla has been directly rebuilding and reselling trade-ins as "refurbished" vehicles (similar to a certified used car)... so for now, very few unwanted vehicles. The only ones off the road are totaled vehicles.

[Littlebeefy]

The US government requires manufacturers of electric vehicles to warranty the batteries for 8 years; however, it is well known that the average new car is only kept for 5 years. It seems as if the government knows that the batteries present an "end of life" dilemma for the new car buyer, so they forced the manufacturer to kick that can down the road to the used car market. I think the government is actually aggravating the problem in the short-run to get people to buy electric.

Also, most of the chemicals for lithium car batteries are mined in China (as well as most of the rare earth elements used in the electric motors). Everyone knows that China has very little environmental controls in place, so all of that mining and refinement is done in the most environmentally damaging way. It's sad but true.

On the plus side, an electric motor, like the Eluminator, can last for 500,000 miles before needing a rebuild, which is twice as long as a gasoline engine.

[reamer]

sure

[RenoHuskerDu]

We have three 7.3 PSDs at over 300k. A coworker on a job site has just over a million miles on his OBS 7.3 PSD. The 6.9 IDI in our first Bullnose has 373k on it.  So 500k miles doesn't impress me much, and personally I believe the electronic controls will give out long before the electric motor.

Then there is the hacker issue Hackers take over Tesla

The concept of shifting my modest tailpipe emissions via a power grid to a remote power plant does not appeal to me. I have no control over the grid, and its fragility has been demonstrated Metcalf grid attack. I can and do however have 1000g of diesel and hundreds of gallons of propane on my rural property.  We lost power for many long hours during the Great Texas Freeze. Our diesel trucks still started and ran fine, helping neighbors. I didn't fire up our gasser Econoline, but it would certainly have started just fine. A Tesla would not, after it runs out of juice it's just a dead brick.

[Lima Delta]

I guess cabin heat in EV vehicles comes right from the batteries?

So clean... I wonder how a truck like this would hold up to being soaked with undercoating oil, then covered in road salt and grime between washings...

LD

[Gary Lewis]

Moved so we have the discussions re the Eluminator all together.

[Gary Lewis]

Yes, it is extremely clean.  Very well done.  Would be a shame to have it coated in oil and salt!  

But good question about heat.  I'd guess resistance strips, but don't know.  However, you may be right about the batteries, although they would only produce heat when the vehicle is moving.  So maybe both?

[RenoHuskerDu]

Thanks @salans7 for for clarifying that you're not the Florida Man.
One day I do hope to meet him, however. ;-)

We lived in yurrup for 18 years, and those sure look like little Renault and Peugeot EVs. But the interwebs being what they are, only God knows where that picture started, as you note.

I still have firemen friends back in France, and the concern about EV and Hybrid fires is still very real. Most French and German firemen are volunteers, and virtually all have instructions to stand down in defense, establish a perimeter, water ready to to cool, but wait for the big city pros to come attack any EV fire. In some rural cases the pros are 2 hours away. Almost like a sulfur truck accident. My dept was trained on EVs and also happened to be trained on sulfur because of an adjacent highway authorized for hazardous transports.