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[Ifitaintbroke]

I've never heard of either, so that must have been some time ago. Cold Case looks great, but I've read several horror-story reviews on Amazon. Swapped out 3 times l, still leaked. That was for a Jeep, but I look at a brand as a whole. Summit has fair reviews, and I know they are great with warranties, but I'd prefer to do this job once. If a have no other choice, I'll get one at work.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Modine was the king of heat exchangers for many decades, in the 20th century.
Visteon was Ford's climate control division but was spun off around the turn of the century and bought up by some capital group.
Then Modine was taken over by them and the old product line vanished (they were bought for the name)

[Ifitaintbroke]

Sad. Well, the reviews on Champion and Summit's brand were so bad that I ordered one through work. And the price tag is $480, not $450. I'll have it tomorrow, anyway. Just not a fan of plastic tanks. The one I'm replacing is original to the truck, though, so they can last close to 40 years.

[Ifitaintbroke]

Another option is to get one for an 80-84. They were solid metal, but thinner. They were used in F350's with the 460, so one should be able to do the job right? I am also running a 180 thermystat, so that should help.

[ArdWrknTrk]

The way the radiator attaches top and bottom is different.
Not that you couldn't adapt, but that's a LOT to go through and it might come back to bite you or a future owner.

Cory (Rembrandt) had a good write-up about adapting the core support to use a later radiator in an early bullnose.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Ifitaintbroke wrote

. They were solid metal, but thinner. They were used in F350's with the 460, so one should be able to do the job right? I am also running a 180 thermystat, so that should help.

The problem is total heat exchange.
You have a larger engine with higher compression making more power.

Under load it will start cooling at 180° but if the radiator can't shed all the heat the engine is producing then the coolant temp will continue to climb.
Stuck in traffic on a humid summer day is a recipe for disaster.

[Ifitaintbroke]

Do you think the stock radiator is up to the task? I also found one for a better price for early 90's f250 to f-superduty with the 460. An f-superduty was basically an f450, so that should be adequate, I would think. It's not quite as thick as mine but close. And it's a lot cheaper.

[ArdWrknTrk]

With a stock fan and shroud, probably.
I know when I used to tow the loaded race trailer to Daytona I'd get jammed in traffic on arrival after lead footing it for almost 20hrs straight. We would never turn the truck off for gas because we couldn't afford to get vapor locked with a mechanical pump.

The gauge never climbed out of [normal]
It would get WAY up there, like L, but I was dragging a 30' trailer down International Blvd in stop, crawl, stop, crawl traffic.

The Aeronose 450's take the exact same radiator I do.
But they attach directly to the back of the rad support with clip nuts at the top.

If I get some time overnight I'll go look for Cory's post.

[Ifitaintbroke]

I forgot you had a Brick. Even though it's right. There. In. Your. Avatar.

Thanks for the help too.

[Ifitaintbroke]

Well, it's settled. I'm going with Murray 432183. It's less than half the price of the one listed for my truck AND we have it in stock. If it doesn't fit I'll make it fit.

[ArdWrknTrk]

I think this is what you need:   https://www.garysgaragemahal.com/#nabble-td15660|a16027

https://www.garysgaragemahal.com/#nabble-td118569|a118594

https://www.garysgaragemahal.com/#nabble-td135862|a135875

[grumpin]

I see you have decided, but thought I'd mention, I put a Champion in the 86 I used to own and have one in the Bronco.

I'm happy with them, fit was good, installation was good. Cooling is good.

I'm starting to ignore a lot of reviews now, some people complain if you hang them with a new rope!

[ArdWrknTrk]

I think that knife cuts both ways Dane.
I'm often not surprised at reviews from shills that obviously have never  used the product.  🙄

I never did figure out how Gary resolved his issues with Champion and have heard more than once on this forum about fitment problems.

I'm glad your experience has been positive!  

Might check the vendor reviews here in the marketplace section.

https://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/Champion-Cooling-Systems-tp118471.html

And now I know!
Champion (directly) went the extra mile for Gary and made it right.  
So I'd guess if that unit is again available it works well with a breathed on 460.
I'll quantify* that by saying that Gary can be very persuasive and doesn't beat too hard on Big Blue.
It's unfortunate that the neck weld in his radiator cracked.
I obviously can't speak to manufacturing defects but I definitely don't think the failure was due to improper installation or abuse.

[Ifitaintbroke]

I have the new rad in. Went with Murray and it fit perfectly. In fact, I think it was the same radiator after all. The other, more expensive one has a different pass side tank. Anyway, it's in. Doesn't look like I'll be firing it off this week. Maybe next week.

[Ifitaintbroke]

GRILLE AND HEADLIGHT BUCKETS ARE IN!!! Last thing before fire-off is the exhaust. Don't want to make things worse with the neighbors than they already are...

[ArdWrknTrk]

You're killing it!  

Yeah, this might not be the best day of the year to fire an unmuffled engine and run it for 20+ min at 2,000+ rpm.

[Ifitaintbroke]

I've heard uncorked motors before, but this thing is unreal. That's before the larger cam and exhaust porting too.

[Ifitaintbroke]

Quick question Jim, before I go out to the yard tomorrow, are the Bricknose steering columns a bolt in for the Bullnose trucks?

[ArdWrknTrk]

Yes, the lower shaft with the sealed universal is a direct swap.
We had a bit of discussion that shows the Bullnose shaft with the rubber boot is superceded in the factory parts catalog.
Bricknose shaft also has a smaller diameter, riveted rag joint

Edit: I see from your other thread you're looking to replace the whole column with one that's not tilt.
While I think it bolts up the same under the dash I'm not sure if the crescent connector has the same pin out.
I do know that steering wheels interchange.
Gary just swapped out the Bullnose one on his SIL TJ's project truck.

[Ifitaintbroke]

I have a Bricky turn signal switch and it works fine. OFF TO THE YARD!!! Thanks, Jim, you're a life saver!