Big Blue's Transformation

[Gary Lewis]

I don't know that I have other options, but will certainly check to see.  However the 9" dimension is a concern since that doesn't allow two s-b-s.  

But, I'll check nonetheless.

Also, what is meant by "ball lock posts and poppets"?  Do you know what kind of connections they have?  I can seem them well enough to be able to tell.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Do you remember keg parties?

A Budweiser tap wouldn't fit a Heiniken keg?

Same idea here except Coke vs Pepsi.

I figure either way you're going to tap it NPT, so does it matter?

[Gary Lewis]

I remember there were keg parties. But don't know anything about them nor how the kegs connect. However, I do have an NPT tap, so I guess it isn't a problem.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Hey mannn....  
If you "remember" you weren't really there man....

Consider a Chevy (Coke) bell housing a Windsor pattern (Pepsi) bell housing.....

Does that fit the forum better?

[Gary Lewis]

Yes.  But for those that don't understand, or maybe don't catch, what you said, a Chevy pattern is a Chevy pattern.  Swap transmissions willy nilly.  Been there, done that, and never thought it shouldn't work.

But a Ford pattern is not a Ford pattern, which is why you said "a Windsor pattern".  An FE has a different pattern than a Windsor, which has a different pattern than a 385.  And a 385 bolt pattern is the same as a 335 bolt pattern, but there are differences in the transmission input shaft lengths.  All part of Ford's "better ideas".  

[Gary Lewis]

ArdWrknTrk wrote

Hey mannn....  
If you "remember" you weren't really there man....

Well said.  And I missed it.  For some reason it reminds me of George Carlin.  Wing seat.  Near miss.  Non-stop flight.  Man, that guy was witty.

And, it reminds me of

[ArdWrknTrk]

Because I edited it in.  

So a poppet tap, and a ball lock post tap will not interchange.

Does the same job, but not compatible.

Coke and Pepsi had their vendors locked into their products.

Kinda like Apple & Microsoft.
Or a diesel spout won't fit a petrol car.

[Gary Lewis]

That diagram already is on the 3G tutorial page.  But, it is specific to the trucks with a warning/charge indicator light.  So we need a diagram for a truck with a voltmeter so they can see how they have to feed a switched-source to the alternator.

Didn't the 90's trucks have voltmeters?  If so, I have both the '95 and '96 EVTMs so should have the right diagram.

[ArdWrknTrk]

The '87 dash remodel brought on voltmeters.
Probably because the ammeters were like having no indication at all.

[Gary Lewis]

"Volunteers" being the auto-corrected "voltmeter", yes the '87 change did bring them.  But apparently not all of the later ones got them as the diagram shows a charge indicator.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Doh!!
(Head slap or face palm emoji?)

I think ALL trucks got the indicator light.
The gauge pod is modular, so tachs, clocks, voltmeters, whatever plug & play depending on the flex circuit.

The indicator is the lt.G/R 'I' source and paralleled by a resistor on the flex board or in the bulb holder itself.
So if the filament burns out the truck still charges.

The gauges in these trucks are not heated springs

They have a little winding (like a transformer)... and remember, the gas gauge goes 15-150 ohms in the other direction.
The voltmeter works the same way.

[Gary Lewis]

Will this one do?    It is in the list now, but we can change it if there's a better one.

Anyway, yes the bulb is paralleled with a resistor for insurance.  And I do remember about the gauge and sending unit change.  What a pain.  

[Gary Lewis]

The 1996 trucks apparently had both a voltmeter and an idiot/charge-warning light.  So all the diagrams I have from the '96 EVTM show the light and resistor.

Then I looked at the '87 EVTM.  I thought that should have been the 2G alternator, but found that they appear to have used the 2G on trucks w/o A/C, and a 1G on trucks with A/C.  I say that because it shows with A/C to have a separate regulator from the alternator.  But w/o A/C the regulator is integrated with the alternator.  

In any event, I do not have a good diagram for a 3G installation w/o the warning lamp, which is the way the vast majority of Bullnose trucks will be wired when doing the conversion.  And if we don't find one then I need to create one as that is certainly missing from our tutorial.  That shouldn't be too hard as I'll just cut the drawing off before the wiring goes to the resistor/bulb combo and indicate that it needs to go to switched power.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Yup my '87 has no AC, (and came with the firestarter) but I think Ford decided that the load of clutch and blower needed the extra Amps of a 75A 1G. (the HD option at the time)

Are you saying Bullnose trucks don't have a battery light?
Wow. I can't imagine.

[Gary Lewis]

Yes, and no.  From '80 through '85 Bullnose trucks had either a charge warning light and an oil pressure light, or the optional gauges that included oil pressure and ammeter.  But in '86 Ford eliminated that and just gave you gauges.

And the lack of a warning light bit me big time on Dad's truck.  The ammeter wasn't showing discharge, or at least not enough to see, but the alternator was not charging and the engine started missing.  And I was 100 miles from home so spent the night with Dad and had the battery on the charger.

So on both Dad's truck and Big Blue I want to add a warning light.  But, that may be an issue since I also want to have an Emissions light awa the 4wd light.  I'll just have to figure that out.

[ArdWrknTrk]

What does the emissions light indicate on Big Blue?

AFAIK that light just turns on after so many hours to get you to go to the dealer and get it shut off (with a paperclip) for a service charge and an upsell.   

There is no catalytic to get clogged or burn out.
The AIR pump and EGR won't be there.
So WHY???

[Gary Lewis]

Big Blue will have EEC-V and needs a check engine light.

[ArdWrknTrk]

Ahhh, so you don't need an emissions light.

Would an efi bullnose cluster get you the MIL and you could use the emiss light for charge?

We've totally hijacked Brian's thread.

Maybe you should split this off to Big Blue's thread?

*** I edited my post, so you could pickup your post about the '96 schematic right after my mention of PA Performance

[ArdWrknTrk]

Aaaand and, now I'm seeing it over here.  

[Gary Lewis]

ArdWrknTrk wrote

 Maybe you should split this off to Big Blue's thread?

*** I edited my post, so you could pickup your post about the '96 schematic right after my mention of PA Performance

Good idea!  Done.

The '85 warning lights are, from left to right: Emissions; Left Turn; Fasten Seatbelts; High Beam; Right Turn; Brake; and 4x4.  My plan is to use the Emissions light for the warning light from the computer, although if I found the right label that said Check Engine or just Engine that would be better.  And I'll hijack the Fasten Seatbelts light for the battery warning.

I'll snip off the Dark Green/Light Green and Black wires where the red circles are, put the resistor across, and run the black wire out to the alternator.  And the DG/LG wire will go to the R/LG wire that was used to power the battery warning indicator on other trucks.