1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

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1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

Bullnose Gator
I replaced the solenoid and noticed the "i" terminal is smaller than the original, so the wire doesn't connect well (the one circled yellow in the pic below).  However, with that wire completely off of the terminal, the truck idles perfectly.  I've done my best to dig through the forums and documentation here, and my best interpretation is that this wire is Fuse Link T (highlighted yellow in the wiring diagram below), that should effect the electric fuel pump, or carb circuit, but I haven't learned how to read wiring diagrams properly yet.  

First, am I right about that?  The tank selector valve (or something related) hasn't worked since I got the truck, and I've never looked into it.  I'm guessing the prior owner could have spliced up the related wiring to circumvent it somehow, but wanted to make sure I'm not headed down the wrong path.  



Jeremy - Oviedo, FL
1986 F250 XLT Lariat Supercab 4x4 Manual 460
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

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Hi Jeremy,

In earlier Hot Fuel Handling systems the (I) wire provides full current directly to the fuel pumps (prime while cranking)
This is because there's not yet any oil pressure to pull the safety relay closed

Also, while running the pumps get power through a* resistor.
Whether this effects pressure or volume or both I'm not sure, because my truck has a mechanical pump.
But I do know that delivered volume is supposed to be a quart in 15 seconds (60 gph)
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

Bullnose Gator
Thanks, Jim. So this wire being disconnected wouldn't necessarily prevent it from starting/running, but, the pump may not be getting all the juice it's intended to get, am I following that correctly?
Jeremy - Oviedo, FL
1986 F250 XLT Lariat Supercab 4x4 Manual 460
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

ArdWrknTrk
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Here's that fuselink 'T' on the right.
You can see power from the 'I' terminal bypasses the 'resistor in run' part of the circuit that is completed when the oil pressure switch back by the firewall closes, feeding the selector switch on the climate control through a resistor.



The switch valve and pumps are shown with the senders



With that wire disconnected the pumps won't run to prime the carburetor, and if it doesn't built enough oil pressure while cranking to close the switch they won't ever run.

You can (A) Prime the carb yourself through the vent tubes front and rear of the carb throat.
(B) Jumper the oil pressure switch that is adjacent to the sender, behind the EGR valve, close to the firewall.

I hope this helps.  
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

ArdWrknTrk
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Fuse 18 provides the power to pull in the oil pressure switch

It also powers the carburetor bowl vent solenoids...
See the grey box lower right....

What Im saying is that while the starter is engaged (and 'I' is energized) the fuel pump has 'turbo' mode to quickly fill the carburetor bowls, if the truck has been sitting and the fuel evaporated.

One of the tricky things about reading the EVTM's is that it only shows you the circuit being discussed.
There may be other circuits in a certain connector, but only wire '123' is shown.

 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

Bullnose Gator
Ok, I think I'm slowly getting it (still need to study up on reading wiring diagrams), you've dumbed it down almost enough for me .  Sounds like finding either another solenoid that has the same size terminal "i" as the original so the wire can connect nice and snug, or some kind of adapter for the smaller terminal that's on there now is the easiest way to keep the system functioning as designed. Really appreciate your help, Jim!
Jeremy - Oviedo, FL
1986 F250 XLT Lariat Supercab 4x4 Manual 460
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

ArdWrknTrk
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Just squeeze the boot with a pair of pliers.
It's not that much current that the smaller stud can't provide.

I'm still wondering why it runs weird when connected.

You might check that it isn't stuck on in "Run"

I'm not sure HOW that could happen, but if it did the pumps (in turbo mode) might be overwhelming the float valves in the carb and causing it to run too rich. ???
(This is only conjecture. Diagnosis over the Internet is all but impossible)
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

Bullnose Gator
I see how I confused you...I wasn't saying it runs weird with the wire on.  It starts/runs the same weather the wire is on or off, at least as far as I can see/hear, no perceptible difference. So that made me wonder what it is supposed to do, and it was working properly before the new solenoid.  

Jeremy - Oviedo, FL
1986 F250 XLT Lariat Supercab 4x4 Manual 460
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

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Sorry if I didn't quite understand.

I was more focused on getting you the right diagrams to help you with the Hot Fuel Handling system
Some people miss the fact that it changed over time.
Earlier systems had the selector switch controlling a SPDT relay that drove the switching valve back & forth

Did I leave you confused?
Is there anything you still aren't clear on?
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1986 460 Solenoid Terminal i Wire

Bullnose Gator
All good now. The boot has been pinched, and wire securely reattached.  Thanks again for taking the time.  you can consider this ticket closed!
Jeremy - Oviedo, FL
1986 F250 XLT Lariat Supercab 4x4 Manual 460