1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

ArdWrknTrk
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Christopher,
If it died on you immediately after leaving the gas station, there's no way it is vacuum in the tank.

I'd maybe turn it up a bit?
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Gearhead
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You can try this also. One of two things could be happening in that the fuel tank isn't venting properly, so as the fuel in the tank gets warmer the vapor pressure rises and can force fuel past the float. Or it could be going into a vacuum and not allowing it to draw fuel when hot. Try removing the cap and run the vehicle and see if it changes. Check choke operation, try looking down the carb throat, motor off, engine hot, throttle closed to see if fuel is dripping.
Gearhead
1980 F350 Ranger Lariat SuperCab 4x2
400 2bbl C6, air, cruise, attitude.
A work in progress.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Chad9
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The carb is aftermarket i believe
Matt
1983 Ford F350 2wd SRW, 460/C6, Holley 600CFM

1987 Dodge Omni 2.2, Weber 32/36
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

ArdWrknTrk
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Does it have a large vent tube in each float bowl?

That's probably the easiest way to know.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Gearhead
I did forget something. On some applications there was a carb vent valve, for emissions sake. Would have vent tubes with hoses attached to float bowls.
Gearhead
1980 F350 Ranger Lariat SuperCab 4x2
400 2bbl C6, air, cruise, attitude.
A work in progress.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

ArdWrknTrk
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AFAIK all 4180 carbs have these vents -it's their distinguishing feature-

At least the one on my '85 notch' and my '87 F-250.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Chad9
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Went to try adjusting float level and find that mine is of course, non adjustable type
Matt
1983 Ford F350 2wd SRW, 460/C6, Holley 600CFM

1987 Dodge Omni 2.2, Weber 32/36
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Gary Lewis
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They are adjustable, just not externally adjustable.  You have to remove the bowls and adjust them that way.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

ArdWrknTrk
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I think you should probably determine that they're out of adjustment before opening them up.

If you do I'm going to suggest you use the genuine Holley blue float bowl gaskets.
Also be sure all those little clutch drive screws in the metering blocks are *tight.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Gearhead
I agree, make sure it needs to come apart. Excuse me for playing Captain Obvious. Quickey test for power valve issues, turn mixture screws in all the way. If the truck continues to run, no matter how poorly, power valve is bad. Float too high? With vehicle at operating temp, run it, shut it down, and immediately look down the carb, don't touch throttle linkage, if fuel is dripping float is too high. Not all the Ford application carbs had brass floats. Some had a plastic like material that I have seen soak up fuel. Another test for high floats if under hard accel or hard braking the motor stalls, or bogs down, it would indicate high floats. The only time I came across low floats the car wanted to stall under wide open throttle cuz it sucked the float bowl dry.
I apologize for stating the obvious.  Hopefully this helps.
Gearhead
1980 F350 Ranger Lariat SuperCab 4x2
400 2bbl C6, air, cruise, attitude.
A work in progress.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

ArdWrknTrk
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I'm pretty sure any Holley. With non-adjustable floats has power valve blow-out protection built in.

TTBOMK, they started this in 1991.

While I can't read the build # on the choke horn with my phone, it sure looks like an 0457-8 to me.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Chad9
Got around to checking the fuel pressure today, about 3 psi from the electric in tank pump
Matt
1983 Ford F350 2wd SRW, 460/C6, Holley 600CFM

1987 Dodge Omni 2.2, Weber 32/36
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Chad9
Tried another gauge showed 4.0
Matt
1983 Ford F350 2wd SRW, 460/C6, Holley 600CFM

1987 Dodge Omni 2.2, Weber 32/36
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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

Gary Lewis
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Where are you measuring the pressure?  Ahead of the tee or after?  And, was this with the engine hot or cold?

Three to four psi is adequate to do the job, but if it drops when things heat up then you could have problem.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Re: 1983 F350 460 Cranky when hot starting

ArdWrknTrk
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You don't need to check pressure, you need to check volume.

Bill will back me up on this.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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